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		<title>By: Mullen Bloggers Recap: week of November 9 &#124; mullen.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mullen Bloggers Recap: week of November 9 &#124; mullen.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] revised version of his column published in this month’s Communication Arts Design Annual titled “Social media changes everything except the need for creativity.” He also introduced us to Martin Wattenber’s data visualization techniques and the suggestion that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] revised version of his column published in this month’s Communication Arts Design Annual titled “Social media changes everything except the need for creativity.” He also introduced us to Martin Wattenber’s data visualization techniques and the suggestion that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gustavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insightful post.

I&#039;ll tell ya,

If the majority of our audience knew how many creatives were out of touch with everything you wrote, they would have a laugh. 

Great resource even for the enlightened ones.  The points you made in the last half of the post are inspirational.  

Your tribe is what you make it, succeed with it, fail without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insightful post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell ya,</p>
<p>If the majority of our audience knew how many creatives were out of touch with everything you wrote, they would have a laugh. </p>
<p>Great resource even for the enlightened ones.  The points you made in the last half of the post are inspirational.  </p>
<p>Your tribe is what you make it, succeed with it, fail without it.</p>
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		<title>By: steve benoit</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the props Keith.

Edward, agreed on your all your stated necessities. Just wondering if companies that try to do all of those in house will end up falling behind. 

Perhaps it&#039;s better to be in a place where you have people who know all of those areas at the table and then make strategic partnerships to complete the project. Back to my point about all the people at your company needing to be creative.

And thanks for the tip on Big Spaceship. I&#039;ve been a fan of their stuff for a while. Perhaps I can convince them of a remote work situation as I&#039;ve used up all my relocation tickets with the family. :)

Thanks for the conversation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the props Keith.</p>
<p>Edward, agreed on your all your stated necessities. Just wondering if companies that try to do all of those in house will end up falling behind. </p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s better to be in a place where you have people who know all of those areas at the table and then make strategic partnerships to complete the project. Back to my point about all the people at your company needing to be creative.</p>
<p>And thanks for the tip on Big Spaceship. I&#8217;ve been a fan of their stuff for a while. Perhaps I can convince them of a remote work situation as I&#8217;ve used up all my relocation tickets with the family. <img src='http://edwardboches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the conversation.<br />
<span class="cluv"> steve benoit&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/studionumbernine/~3/F7kdPj2aka8/" rel="nofollow">:: The Art of Unperfect ::</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://edwardboches.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with that Dave</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff!

Completely agree that creativity is now needed more than ever. But what kind of creativity and from whom? It might be an advantage to come from professions that are far removed from advertising. This might provide more effective thinking?

I think the biggest issue large agencies face is agility and staff range. The larger the agency the slower it can react to change, and this genie is going to keep changing for a long time yet. Plus it might become financially impractical to have the staff range necessary for excellence the new landscape. 

Most organisations seem to be thinking of how to shoehorn the old processes and infrastructure in to the new ecosystem. Kinda like half a solution. If the model is still outmoded and disadvantaged, it&#039;ll suffer and retreat. Real evolution might be what is required, with fundamental change to create lots of new species with a plethora of advantageous traits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff!</p>
<p>Completely agree that creativity is now needed more than ever. But what kind of creativity and from whom? It might be an advantage to come from professions that are far removed from advertising. This might provide more effective thinking?</p>
<p>I think the biggest issue large agencies face is agility and staff range. The larger the agency the slower it can react to change, and this genie is going to keep changing for a long time yet. Plus it might become financially impractical to have the staff range necessary for excellence the new landscape. </p>
<p>Most organisations seem to be thinking of how to shoehorn the old processes and infrastructure in to the new ecosystem. Kinda like half a solution. If the model is still outmoded and disadvantaged, it&#8217;ll suffer and retreat. Real evolution might be what is required, with fundamental change to create lots of new species with a plethora of advantageous traits.</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross:
I use the term loosely.  To me, creativity is learning to write for Google&#039;s algorithm the same way you write for a reader&#039;s attention.  It&#039;s developing apps and tools as much as ads and messages.  It&#039;s conceiving experiences that involve community participation. It&#039;s time we stop thinking the word refers to art and copy.  So many of the things you are thinking about, are in my opinion, the new forms of creative expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross:<br />
I use the term loosely.  To me, creativity is learning to write for Google&#8217;s algorithm the same way you write for a reader&#8217;s attention.  It&#8217;s developing apps and tools as much as ads and messages.  It&#8217;s conceiving experiences that involve community participation. It&#8217;s time we stop thinking the word refers to art and copy.  So many of the things you are thinking about, are in my opinion, the new forms of creative expression.</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:
Sounds like you should connect with a guy named Michael Liebowitz who runs Big Spaceship. He says some similar things. Agree, agencies that don&#039;t change will be gone (witness Cliff Freemen), those that follow the path of R/GA, Goodby, Crispin and even Ogilvy with it&#039;s 360 and Ogvily One approach stand a chance. There are some fundamental things happening: one, brands, with SEO, inbound marketing and social media can actually do more themselves (Zappos, Whole Foods, et. al.) and the will.  Two, there will be more tools and techniques to help them do it for less. And great content will be essential.  That remains the domain of great agencies right now. But new models, production companies like Campfire NYC, and now crowdsourcing inspired companies like Victors and Spoils will get in the game.  It&#039;s the wild west all over again.  But in the end, despite the technology or the medium, three things will always be necessary:  great strategy, compelling and relevant content, platforms that invite ongoing consumer participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:<br />
Sounds like you should connect with a guy named Michael Liebowitz who runs Big Spaceship. He says some similar things. Agree, agencies that don&#8217;t change will be gone (witness Cliff Freemen), those that follow the path of R/GA, Goodby, Crispin and even Ogilvy with it&#8217;s 360 and Ogvily One approach stand a chance. There are some fundamental things happening: one, brands, with SEO, inbound marketing and social media can actually do more themselves (Zappos, Whole Foods, et. al.) and the will.  Two, there will be more tools and techniques to help them do it for less. And great content will be essential.  That remains the domain of great agencies right now. But new models, production companies like Campfire NYC, and now crowdsourcing inspired companies like Victors and Spoils will get in the game.  It&#8217;s the wild west all over again.  But in the end, despite the technology or the medium, three things will always be necessary:  great strategy, compelling and relevant content, platforms that invite ongoing consumer participation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tim Leberecht has been covering a lot of this with his thoughts on moving from message strategy to meaning strategy http://designmind.frogdesign.com/articles/power/wanted-chief-meaning-officer.html-3

I&#039;ve always seen this all revolves around marketer&#039;s ability to create content or provide the building blocks/framework for content co-creation. Ironically, this is not how marketers or marketing creatives are classically trained. So, we have to relearn everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tim Leberecht has been covering a lot of this with his thoughts on moving from message strategy to meaning strategy <a href="http://designmind.frogdesign.com/articles/power/wanted-chief-meaning-officer.html-3" rel="nofollow">http://designmind.frogdesign.com/articles/power/wanted-chief-meaning-officer.html-3</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always seen this all revolves around marketer&#8217;s ability to create content or provide the building blocks/framework for content co-creation. Ironically, this is not how marketers or marketing creatives are classically trained. So, we have to relearn everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Harmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of Tom Friedman&#039;s take on climate change/global warming. He calls it global weirding when where some regions will get hot and dry and other will flood by monsoons and Hurricanes. http://bit.ly/3JeNdb

We are entering into a landscape of media weirding. We know that there will be change, but don&#039;t know where it is heading.
.-= Mark Harmel&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harmelphoto.com/blog/healthcare/how-twitter-led-me-to-lemonade/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how twitter led me to Lemonade&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of Tom Friedman&#8217;s take on climate change/global warming. He calls it global weirding when where some regions will get hot and dry and other will flood by monsoons and Hurricanes. <a href="http://bit.ly/3JeNdb" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3JeNdb</a></p>
<p>We are entering into a landscape of media weirding. We know that there will be change, but don&#8217;t know where it is heading.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mark Harmel&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.harmelphoto.com/blog/healthcare/how-twitter-led-me-to-lemonade/" rel="nofollow">how twitter led me to Lemonade</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://edwardboches.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ross Kimbarovsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Kimbarovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

I agree with what you&#039;ve written, but I keep thinking about the incredible amount of information fed to consumers every day and wondering whether creativity will be enough. Maybe it&#039;s because I just watched Speed Racer with my 8 year old - I keep picturing images of the future with ads everywhere - personalization, localization, etc. 

The need for creativity will no doubt become more and more important, but will it be enough? I think about television commercials - remember pets.com? We celebrate creative commercials, but are they selling more products? Are they building stronger brands? And if the answer is yes - why is everyone predicting an upcoming massive shift of ad dollars to interactive?

I&#039;m not suggesting that there is no need for creativity. There is. I simply wonder if creativity is enough. Most people seem to be putting the emphasis on &quot;media&quot; - interactive, new ways of doing things, viral, etc. But what seems to be working - and working pretty well for those who&#039;ve done it well: &quot;social&quot;. Social doesn&#039;t require nearly as much creativity as media. It requires a totally different approach altogether - including the ability to lessen the tight grip over your brand (whether company or personal). 

I don&#039;t have any answers - I just keep thinking about this same issue you&#039;ve raised and wondering if creativity is enough...
.-= Ross Kimbarovsky&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.crowdspring.com/2009/11/06/small-business-spotlight-of-the-week-3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Small Business Spotlight of the Week&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>I agree with what you&#8217;ve written, but I keep thinking about the incredible amount of information fed to consumers every day and wondering whether creativity will be enough. Maybe it&#8217;s because I just watched Speed Racer with my 8 year old &#8211; I keep picturing images of the future with ads everywhere &#8211; personalization, localization, etc. </p>
<p>The need for creativity will no doubt become more and more important, but will it be enough? I think about television commercials &#8211; remember pets.com? We celebrate creative commercials, but are they selling more products? Are they building stronger brands? And if the answer is yes &#8211; why is everyone predicting an upcoming massive shift of ad dollars to interactive?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that there is no need for creativity. There is. I simply wonder if creativity is enough. Most people seem to be putting the emphasis on &#8220;media&#8221; &#8211; interactive, new ways of doing things, viral, etc. But what seems to be working &#8211; and working pretty well for those who&#8217;ve done it well: &#8220;social&#8221;. Social doesn&#8217;t require nearly as much creativity as media. It requires a totally different approach altogether &#8211; including the ability to lessen the tight grip over your brand (whether company or personal). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any answers &#8211; I just keep thinking about this same issue you&#8217;ve raised and wondering if creativity is enough&#8230;<br />
<span class="cluv"> Ross Kimbarovsky&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://blog.crowdspring.com/2009/11/06/small-business-spotlight-of-the-week-3/" rel="nofollow">Small Business Spotlight of the Week</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://edwardboches.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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