I don’t talk to clients about social media anymore

The larger point here is that clients have a limited interest in talking about technology, social media or anything else in the new world of marketing. They are mostly focused on finding out what you can do for their business. Had a NB meeting with a client earlier this week. We talked about standard use of Twitter (product announcements/line extensions etc.) and for a blog (industry talk: specifically how technology, environmental regs and the economy are effecting his market segment). He only paid attention when we discussed how his content could be distributed and discussed in free media outlets. Creativity is very closely linked with achieving better results with less resources. When you're not creative, it ends being more work for less money. arb:

Brilliant article, social media has become such a huge topic of conversation that people are losing track of its purpose. Brands all of the world are being convinced to get involved with social media without realising it's simply another tool in the arsenal, albeit a powerful one. Marketing professionals should ask themselves if it will help work towards the business objectives before taking the plunge.

Great Post. It is easy to get caught up in tools and procedures, without really thinking about what the ultimate objectives are. Businesses are about creating value for others. You do that by cost-effectively creating products or services, letting the world know about that offering and then delivering. Technology should be used to drive those three steps, it shouldn't be used for the sake of technology itself. .-= John Bardos´s last blog ..Interview with Digital Nomad Carmen Bolanos =-.

Edward, What a way to put this in terms that management can understand. I certainly don't believe that social media is the end-all, but it is a great supplement that can help a business extend its reach and have a better relationship with both customers and partners. We're trying to help businesses see the light here -- we've started a new series on YouTube called "Small Business, Big Voices," which will hopefully help bring to light some of your valuable points above to a wide range of businesses. Thanks! .-= Mariano´s last blog ..Help! My site Has Been Blacklisted by Google! =-.

Great post! Too many people view social media as "just another thing to do" rather than an extension of what they're already doing, or a way to do it more effectively. Framing the discussion in the way you suggested should be much more likely to generate a positive response. Talking about social media can sometimes prompt a response similar to the comment from the cable company rep in this ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_PqQ5ippgA Maybe approaching social media with a fresh perspective will help change that.

Thanks for such an astute post. Too many people talk about Social Media with capital letters and ignore the reality of our situation, which is that we have unprecedented access to metrics, immediate responses, and interactivity. Best of all, it's just going to get better. This is daunting, because when everything's possible, then you really have no excuse to limit yourself to three executions, and you have no excuse to not listen to your consumers, and you have no excuse to not be transparent. Or it's completely exhilarating, depending on which way you look at it. I guess the 20th century was really an exception in terms of how marketing's been done throughout history. We've always had transparency before mass production became so widespread because of the nature of social structures and production techniques. Then, in the 20th century, we had opaque marketing methods and the ability to hide behind one-way communication media. And now it's back to how it was, just with much richer possibility.

This is certainly an interesting approach. Great information for folks who see social media as the solution, and social networking tools as the strategy. (Especially when there are no clear objectives in mind.)

My last 2 meetings I started with if I mention or use the following words in the next 15 mins stop me and make me pay you for your time... Social Media, Twitter, Facebook, Linked In, YouTube. It worked great- we talked about their branding, customer service, competitors positioning, CRM, e-mail program, and where they wanted to be as a company in the next 12 months... Best calls I have had in a while, and it was refreshing for the clients too they have been blasted by the SM tools and tactics by others. Great Post- Thanks

I very much appreciate not only the blogpost, but the exchange via the subsequent comments. By being able to freely exchange ideas through social media itself, we are both reinforcing its utility and helping our clients to communicate....which is why I would assume we're all here. Exciting time to be in advertising; of that I am sure. Thanks for taking the time to post. Best, M. .-= mckra1g´s last blog ..mckra1g: Thx for the RTs, mentions! @adbert @vnoreen @Tachman @3youngguns @brundle_fly @TimWinkler @davemcevers @DonnaMLehman Much appreciated! :) =-.

How many "Social Media Specialists" are on Twitter do you suppose? Most of those social media specialists are BS artists, but what isn't BS is the strategy you laid out. The tactics will change - it's all part of the new media plan, true? Unless you're in ad sales I'm not sure why anyone would want to sell tactics. Seems to me selling tactics would effectively shut down new thinking. .-= Bruce DeBoer´s last blog ..Don’t Tell Me What to Feel =-.

Right to the point Edward. We need to forget about the ways and just focus on the whys and hows. Marketers need to stop worrying about ROIs and spend more time on designing creative and engaging content for their audience. --Paul .-= Paul L'Acosta´s last blog ..marketingfails: @chriswooster Impressive work on your site. Are those case studies/works you've completed? =-.

Edward, Great timing on this post as it helped me to prepare for a big meeting with a potential client to discuss social media. I'll be sure to (not) talk about it it now. .-= Shannon´s last blog ..Thank You Ad:Tech New York, 2009 =-.

Edward, Thank you yet again for sharing your valuable insight. I love how you balance effective fundamental approaches with all the new chaos out there today. Your clients, readers, and Mullen are fortunate. Shea .-= Shea Park´s last blog ..Shea_Park: Chaordix thank you for this explanation and video on Why Crowdsource? The Crowdsourcing Engine for Enterprises - http://shar.es/az1JA =-.

Great approach Edward. Much like 'e-marketing' or 'interactive marketing' was scary unknown territory 10 years ago, now it's really just 'marketing.' This is a great reminder that we should focus on the business objectives first, and oh by the way there are social aspects that will help achieve many of them. I commented on another entry earlier with one of the questions that I like to ask: 'Are you ready to have an honest, open, and ongoing dialog with your customers?' This is either terrifying or exciting to brands, but it's a good question to ask to help frame the discussion. After all, we can't hide the fact that many of the social avenues that are available to explore require ongoing commitment, and thus we have to make sure our clients are ready to see it through or risk alienating the audience if the effort isn't consistent. Great topic - thanks for the post!

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Thanks for this, Edward. I have been thinking about what are the best 'ins' when working with new clients and the list above are all very hard to say 'no thanks' to. I think you could also add - "Are you interested in measuring the effects of your communications better?" The tools are available to do this if they can be benchmarked against financial impact. I guess this could fall under your second point... .-= Ed Hartigan´s last blog ..Measuring success in social media =-.

Excellent post, Edward. I'm in total agreement. Staying focused on the business objective, rather than the channel or tool used to achieve it, can not only overcome the inertia in this space but will also deliver the best outcomes. .-= Stephanie Rogers´s last blog ..Cisco's Augmented Reality Mirror =-.

Thanks for laying this out. Some great points worthy of repeating. Another possible thing to add to the list is improving customer relationships by establishing an approachable persona and being able to address questions and concerns in a timely manner. Turning critics into fans is a pretty powerful thought. .-= @studionumber9´s last blog ..H1N1 meets marketing @ shaw’s =-.

This is very insightful. Managers in most organizations have no idea how to interpret what is going on right now with social media, let alone how to actually start using it properly. In my experience it all must be framed in terms a manager is familiar with, or else it will come across as snake oil. .-= Joseph Baird´s last blog ..IU’s iPhone Conference 2009 =-.