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	<title>Comments on: I’m crowdsourcing the questions I should ask crowdsourcing expert John Winsor</title>
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		<title>By: Ally Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ally:
Me too.  Definitely we&#039;ll have time to connect.  Introduce yourself and bring any and all questions you have with you.  The honest answer is that no one knows all the answers.  We just have ides, hypotheses and our imaginations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ally:<br />
Me too.  Definitely we&#8217;ll have time to connect.  Introduce yourself and bring any and all questions you have with you.  The honest answer is that no one knows all the answers.  We just have ides, hypotheses and our imaginations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.
I will be there on Wednesday and would love to meet you at some point if time allows. Looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.<br />
I will be there on Wednesday and would love to meet you at some point if time allows. Looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ally:
Great questions.  You should be conducting the interview. Hopefully I&#039;ll get to ask all of these and share answers from the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ally:<br />
Great questions.  You should be conducting the interview. Hopefully I&#8217;ll get to ask all of these and share answers from the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does crowdsourcing as a vehicle for creativity and recognition build or erode company loyalty?
What are the implications for long term development for creative talent if they are creating in a silo where the virtual office is now virtually no office?
If a company&#039;s new role is to be a curator of crowdsourced ideas, what is the new role of the onsite on staff traditional creative talent? -  and does this contribute to the notion that better work comes from outside?  i.e. when an Agency hires a &quot;silver bullet&#039; who is supposed to solve all problems, or when an Agency brings in a freelance team last minute to solve what those inside have been working on for months</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does crowdsourcing as a vehicle for creativity and recognition build or erode company loyalty?<br />
What are the implications for long term development for creative talent if they are creating in a silo where the virtual office is now virtually no office?<br />
If a company&#8217;s new role is to be a curator of crowdsourced ideas, what is the new role of the onsite on staff traditional creative talent? &#8211;  and does this contribute to the notion that better work comes from outside?  i.e. when an Agency hires a &#8220;silver bullet&#8217; who is supposed to solve all problems, or when an Agency brings in a freelance team last minute to solve what those inside have been working on for months</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph:
Lots to stew on in your comments.  First off is the difference between co-creation and crowdsourcing, one of the topics for my interview with John.  Your thoughts about ideas being developed by a crowd or group is more in the vein of co-creation, not unlike what Pixar does or any modern agency.  Ad for crowdsourcing, there are very simple examples that work well:  anything modular, for example, such as writing software.  Also, recently the Library of Congress posted thousands of photos on Flickr, not knowing the source or subject matter of many of them.  But by inviting the public to fill in the blanks, if you will, they discovered all kinds of information about the images.  &quot;That was my Dad&#039;s barbershop in Baltimore in 1946,&quot; for example. Answers often included location, little stories, etc.  Your question re Edison and Franklin inspires discussion about whether or not we need new models in the digital space to replicate the laboratories of the past.  Will be turning my attention and concentration to the subject and interview as we get closer to August 5.  But thanks for the thoughts.  They&#039;ll be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:<br />
Lots to stew on in your comments.  First off is the difference between co-creation and crowdsourcing, one of the topics for my interview with John.  Your thoughts about ideas being developed by a crowd or group is more in the vein of co-creation, not unlike what Pixar does or any modern agency.  Ad for crowdsourcing, there are very simple examples that work well:  anything modular, for example, such as writing software.  Also, recently the Library of Congress posted thousands of photos on Flickr, not knowing the source or subject matter of many of them.  But by inviting the public to fill in the blanks, if you will, they discovered all kinds of information about the images.  &#8220;That was my Dad&#8217;s barbershop in Baltimore in 1946,&#8221; for example. Answers often included location, little stories, etc.  Your question re Edison and Franklin inspires discussion about whether or not we need new models in the digital space to replicate the laboratories of the past.  Will be turning my attention and concentration to the subject and interview as we get closer to August 5.  But thanks for the thoughts.  They&#8217;ll be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Wondering in a crowdsourced city &#124; Joseph Rueter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wondering in a crowdsourced city &#124; Joseph Rueter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] crowdsourcing the some of the writing via a wiki. Edward Boches points out that you can join Starbucks&#8217; crowdsourcing platform and contribute all you like. You can source logos designed from the crowd via crowdSPRING which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: joseph rueter</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph rueter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure I don&#039;t have a single question. What I do know is that my train of thought around crowdsourcing lately has been bumping around in context to the following. 

One, crowdsourcing for ideas simply validates the significance of the lateral thinker. Can that be crowdsourced? Two, can an environment necessary for innovation on a social level be replicated in the digital world? Three, none of it matters unless it&#039;s helping achieve a goal which is most often cash. Therefore, isn&#039;t the crux selling? Can crowdsourcing source it&#039;s own buyers?


There seems to be a number of dynamics to crowdsourcing. A clear player is that of ideas. We all have them. Right? It&#039;s the easy part, e.g. stick up a site asking for them and have people stop by via whatever means available to you (i.e. paid or earned media).

Ideas don&#039;t seem to be the real value of crowdsourcing. Am I way off here? They&#039;re a plentiful resource. If crowdsourcing is primarily seen as a quick way to more ideas, isn&#039;t that simply valuing the synthesizers of the information all the more. The insight there seems to be that if you can get the strategists/planners more of the &quot;right information&quot; then crowdsourcing is the answer. Yet it&#039;s only a bettering of a component in an existing system by supplying the mechanism something of richer value. You&#039;d guess the product would be better then too, right?

I wonder about the synthesis of the crowdsourced ideas. It seems to my mind that the lateral thinking done with the business objectives and the end user objectives all in mind while looking at the opportunities in the data is where a whole lot of innovation happens. How can we crowdsource lateral thinking like that? Is it a UX problem? Is it possible in a digital world? If so, has it been done in ways that are intensely more interesting and social than a simple binary value assessment (a yes/no poll)?

In one way I am wondering if it&#039;s possible to recreate an innovative studio the likes of Benjamin Franklin or Edison or or or in the digital world? How do we create web based environments as immersive and as social as the physicality of a work shop? And if it was not enough to get the talent gathered and working well together how do can a digital environment be one where its all these things and constantly engaged? It has to be predictably more interesting than Hulu or surfing the web, right?! It has to be returned to vastly more often than an email reminder to engage.

Doesn&#039;t creativity and innovation thrive where all parties stand to benefit? I guess what I am getting at is that there is something intensely unsatisfying about having an idea alone, pushing it to the ether of the interwebs and standing by as it develops and simply getting a cash compensation. Isn&#039;t part of the magic of innovation the committed context of a team that it happens within? How does crowdsourcing and the social dynamics of a team coexist?

Isn&#039;t the crux of any sourcing the same as it&#039;s always been? Namely how does the synthesis of a resource (in this case information/research/ideas) lead to insights such that a strategy can be built (a direction forward in a context) so it can be sold to an eager buyer and then actually built?

Yet, maybe here is real crux of crowdsourcing&#039;s success or lack there of... buyers. Can it source itself some buyers?

Edward, What sticks out to you here? Are there any reasonably helpful questions you can develop from the flow of thought here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure I don&#8217;t have a single question. What I do know is that my train of thought around crowdsourcing lately has been bumping around in context to the following. </p>
<p>One, crowdsourcing for ideas simply validates the significance of the lateral thinker. Can that be crowdsourced? Two, can an environment necessary for innovation on a social level be replicated in the digital world? Three, none of it matters unless it&#8217;s helping achieve a goal which is most often cash. Therefore, isn&#8217;t the crux selling? Can crowdsourcing source it&#8217;s own buyers?</p>
<p>There seems to be a number of dynamics to crowdsourcing. A clear player is that of ideas. We all have them. Right? It&#8217;s the easy part, e.g. stick up a site asking for them and have people stop by via whatever means available to you (i.e. paid or earned media).</p>
<p>Ideas don&#8217;t seem to be the real value of crowdsourcing. Am I way off here? They&#8217;re a plentiful resource. If crowdsourcing is primarily seen as a quick way to more ideas, isn&#8217;t that simply valuing the synthesizers of the information all the more. The insight there seems to be that if you can get the strategists/planners more of the &#8220;right information&#8221; then crowdsourcing is the answer. Yet it&#8217;s only a bettering of a component in an existing system by supplying the mechanism something of richer value. You&#8217;d guess the product would be better then too, right?</p>
<p>I wonder about the synthesis of the crowdsourced ideas. It seems to my mind that the lateral thinking done with the business objectives and the end user objectives all in mind while looking at the opportunities in the data is where a whole lot of innovation happens. How can we crowdsource lateral thinking like that? Is it a UX problem? Is it possible in a digital world? If so, has it been done in ways that are intensely more interesting and social than a simple binary value assessment (a yes/no poll)?</p>
<p>In one way I am wondering if it&#8217;s possible to recreate an innovative studio the likes of Benjamin Franklin or Edison or or or in the digital world? How do we create web based environments as immersive and as social as the physicality of a work shop? And if it was not enough to get the talent gathered and working well together how do can a digital environment be one where its all these things and constantly engaged? It has to be predictably more interesting than Hulu or surfing the web, right?! It has to be returned to vastly more often than an email reminder to engage.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t creativity and innovation thrive where all parties stand to benefit? I guess what I am getting at is that there is something intensely unsatisfying about having an idea alone, pushing it to the ether of the interwebs and standing by as it develops and simply getting a cash compensation. Isn&#8217;t part of the magic of innovation the committed context of a team that it happens within? How does crowdsourcing and the social dynamics of a team coexist?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the crux of any sourcing the same as it&#8217;s always been? Namely how does the synthesis of a resource (in this case information/research/ideas) lead to insights such that a strategy can be built (a direction forward in a context) so it can be sold to an eager buyer and then actually built?</p>
<p>Yet, maybe here is real crux of crowdsourcing&#8217;s success or lack there of&#8230; buyers. Can it source itself some buyers?</p>
<p>Edward, What sticks out to you here? Are there any reasonably helpful questions you can develop from the flow of thought here?</p>
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		<title>By: edward boches</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward boches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica:
Interesting perspective.  As noted by Brad Noble, in his first comment above, some consider crowdsourcing &quot;theft.&quot;  So clearly some ground rules are in order.  You can check out crowdSPRING and see how it works there.  Almost like the eBay of crowdsourcing.  Not sure I would ever participate myself as the individual.  Often the winners in these things are younger talents who later on go on to bigger and better things, not simply hobbyists.  As for your second question, while I&#039;ve never thought of such an idea until you just mentioned it, maybe I would hire the person as a creative &quot;broker/purchasing agent,&quot; presuming the work was really good.  Then again, perhaps it just means the person&#039;s already a creative director; not doing anything him or herself, but managing to get good work done through others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica:<br />
Interesting perspective.  As noted by Brad Noble, in his first comment above, some consider crowdsourcing &#8220;theft.&#8221;  So clearly some ground rules are in order.  You can check out crowdSPRING and see how it works there.  Almost like the eBay of crowdsourcing.  Not sure I would ever participate myself as the individual.  Often the winners in these things are younger talents who later on go on to bigger and better things, not simply hobbyists.  As for your second question, while I&#8217;ve never thought of such an idea until you just mentioned it, maybe I would hire the person as a creative &#8220;broker/purchasing agent,&#8221; presuming the work was really good.  Then again, perhaps it just means the person&#8217;s already a creative director; not doing anything him or herself, but managing to get good work done through others.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Donovaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica Donovaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young creative, I want to know what&#039;s in it for the crowd? Is it reasonable to expect that there will be unlimited supply of people wanting to do your job (or part of it) for free or a tiny fraction of what you make -- especially when there&#039;s the potential to make huge amounts of money off the ideas being solicited?

It seems like there will always be a division between the professionals and the &#039;crowd&#039; and the smartest, most creative, most talented people in the crowd would still expect to get credit and compensation for valuable ideas.

And maybe this is more of a question for you, but how would you really respond to a portfolio full of &#039;crowdsource&#039; contributions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young creative, I want to know what&#8217;s in it for the crowd? Is it reasonable to expect that there will be unlimited supply of people wanting to do your job (or part of it) for free or a tiny fraction of what you make &#8212; especially when there&#8217;s the potential to make huge amounts of money off the ideas being solicited?</p>
<p>It seems like there will always be a division between the professionals and the &#8216;crowd&#8217; and the smartest, most creative, most talented people in the crowd would still expect to get credit and compensation for valuable ideas.</p>
<p>And maybe this is more of a question for you, but how would you really respond to a portfolio full of &#8216;crowdsource&#8217; contributions?</p>
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